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#121
FAA Notification to NEADS About American Airlines Flight 77
#122
FAA Notification to NEADS About United Airlines Flight 175
#123
September 11, 2001 Timeline / Fighters Airborne
August 01, 2017, 08:28:03 PM
Fighters Airborne. Operation Vigilant Guard switches from exercise to real world operations.
#124
Fighter Scramble Order (Otis Air National Guard Base, Falmouth, Mass. Two F-15s) for the the two F-15s that were at battle stations. Without having a specific target located, military commanders were uncertain as to where to send the fighters. Boston Center controllers were still tracking American Airlines Flight 11 as a primary target but were unable to communicate its location to NEADS by phone.

After news of an aircraft hitting the World Trade Center began spreading, no decision was made to alter the course of the F-15s of the 102nd Fighter Wing. A decision was made to send the Otis fighters south of Long Island rather than straight to New York City, as originally ordered by Maj.

One of the two pilots, Lieutenant Colonel Timothy Duffy, would later state he had already heard about the suspected hijacking (attributed to a phone call from the FAA's Boston Center) as he was supervising training exercises at Otis ANG base. Claiming to have a "bad feeling about the suspected hijacking", he and his wingman, Major Daniel Nash, decided to use their F-15s' afterburners.

Flying supersonically, the F-15s were just south of Long Island when United Airlines Flight 175 smashed into the World Trade Center's south tower. NEADS wanted to direct the fighters over Manhattan, but FAA air controllers, fearing collisions with civilian aircraft, told NEADS to hold off. According to the FAA, there is an average of 200 flights per 24 hours over the Hudson River in the vicinity of NYC. The fighters were then ordered in a holding pattern off the coast of Long Island (in military-controlled airspace), where they remained from 09:09 to 09:13. After the airspace was cleared, the Otis fighters were directed towards Manhattan, where they arrived at 09:25 and established a combat air patrol (CAP).
#125
Second Controller Speaks About Korean Airliner Incident on 9/11




By Lori Townsend, Alaska Public Media - September 12, 2011

Another Air Traffic controller who says he worked with Korean flight 085 that was diverted to Whitehorse on Sept. 11, 2001 has come forward with additional details of the day's events. APRN reported Friday that retired Air Traffic Controller Rick Wilder says the pilot was ordered to squawk that he had hijackers on board.

Dave Connett worked as an Air Traffic Controller in Anchorage for 15 years and was also in the tower and worked the flight that was suspected of being hijacked that day. Connett contends he was the one that first ordered the pilot to squawk the 7500 hijack code. Connett says it was because of a message the pilot had sent to his own company Korean Airlines.

"He as I understood it, Sent a company message, saying he was hijacked and that got to us so we were expecting a hijacked aircraft when we finally did greet or identify him and talk to him." Connett said.

Connett says he asked the pilot to verify squawking 7500 and he says the pilot said disregard. Then Connett's area manager told him to squawk the hijack code. Connett says he gave the order and the pilot did not argue, he complied.

Korean Air Setup To Be Shot Down?


"So at that point, we figured well he must be getting hijacked. I was given instructions that he could not go to Anchorage. So I tried to turn him away from Anchorage and he was very resistant. It took several transmissions to convince him that he could not and he was not going to go to Anchorage." Connett said.

Connett says he's also a pilot and had never before given such a command. He says the order to tell the plane to squawk 7500 – meaning it had been hijacked – surprised him. But he looked later and it was in the FAA manual. He says when those regulations were written, it was presumed that a hijacker would be someone bursting into a cockpit with a weapon. Connett says.

"And one of those would be, a scenario that if a hijacker is standing in the cockpit and he's telling a pilot what to do, and the controller tells him to do something, like squawk 7500, the hijacker normally wouldn't know what that means. So if the pilot did it it would confirm that he is being hijacked. But if he wasn't being hijacked it is incumbent upon the pilot to say, to know the code and to say, no I'm not being hijacked."



The pilot's lack of protest about the code added to the suspicion that the Korean jet had been hijacked. This confusion is what then NORAD commander, now Air Force General Norton Schwartz outlined when he spoke to reporters in the days after the event. Schwartz said that if controllers asked pilots to confirm if they were squawking that code, the correct response would be negative, negative, I am not that code. General Scwartz continued.

"Apparently what occurred was that the crew either misconstrued what was said or perhaps what was said wasn't exactly, you know, according to the text book and they understood that they should squawk that code."

Dave Connett says he wanted to clarify some of the day's events and affirm that the jet had been sent to Whitehorse because of concerns it was in fact a hijacked plane and it was determined that sending it to Whitehorse endangered less lives than Anchorage.

#126
Corruption and crime is so prevalent in our governing bodies and systems, that small changes are no longer effective. When you have the proverbial fox guarding the chicken coop, you don't ask the fox to investigate the feathers when the chickens go missing... Any investigation by the fox will not discover and criminal evidence that will point to the fox. You would have to totally remove the fox from the investigation to find out what truly happened to the chickens.

Let's just hope that President Trump is causing so much problems in the White House because he is clearing out the good ol' boys network. He owes neither the republic or democratic parties NOTHING! So it really does not matter who's toes he steps on to get the job done for he is not a politician. This is the main thing that President Trump has going for him and I hope he uses it to his ultimate advantage and can get the job done while staying out of their gun sights.
#127
Today Is a primary election day in New York City. Primary elections are being held for mayor, public advocate, comptroller, and other city offices.
#128
Spy vs Spy / Bomb Trucks
July 31, 2017, 08:17:41 PM
Something Is Terribly Wrong With The "Official Story"...

Suspects that had actual truck bombs on September 11, 2001 were arrested, held for about 90 days and then deported back to Israel. These stories were buried it seems as to not take the emphasis off the "Official Story" that Arabs were attempting to kill us. Not one Arab was caught in an airport, on a plane or in a video with a bomb that day but were blamed for everything. Israelis were caught with bombs on this day and NOTHING happened to them except deportation.  The alleged hijackers were claimed to be Saudi's. We did not bomb Israel, or even Saudi Arabia, but who did  we bomb? Iraq and Iran. As far as all the information broadcast, no Iraqi or Iranian had been mentioned to have anything to do with September 11, 2001 and had NOTHING in common with the "Official Story" of September 11, 2001.




Israelis with truck bombs on 9/11
                                   

News Broadcast About One of the Israeli Truck Bombs





Actual Audio of Police Radio Broadcast Concerning Truck Bomb




#129
Five men were dancing atop of a white van high-fiving, "horsing around", smiling, hugging each other and looking jovial but not at all shocked as the World Trade Center North Tower was engulfed in smoke after being hit by the first plane. The location of the sighting was in the Doric Apartments Complex in New Jersey.
#130
Spy vs Spy / Re: The Dancing Israelis / Truck Bombs
July 31, 2017, 05:44:31 PM
Were Israelis Detained on Sept. 11 Spies?

By ABC News

June 21, 2002

Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

Maria, who asked us not to use her last name, had a view of the World Trade Center from her New Jersey apartment building. She remembers a neighbor calling her shortly after the first plane hit the towers.

She grabbed her binoculars and watched the destruction unfolding in lower Manhattan. But as she watched the disaster, something else caught her eye.

Maria says she saw three young men kneeling on the roof of a white van in the parking lot of her apartment building. "They seemed to be taking a movie," Maria said.

The men were taking video or photos of themselves with the World Trade Center burning in the background, she said. What struck Maria were the expressions on the men's faces. "They were like happy, you know ... They didn't look shocked to me. I thought it was very strange," she said.

She found the behavior so suspicious that she wrote down the license plate number of the van and called the police. Before long, the FBI was also on the scene, and a statewide bulletin was issued on the van.

The plate number was traced to a van owned by a company called Urban Moving. Around 4 p.m. on Sept. 11, the van was spotted on a service road off Route 3, near New Jersey's Giants Stadium. A police officer pulled the van over, finding five men, between 22 and 27 years old, in the vehicle. The men were taken out of the van at gunpoint and handcuffed by police.

The arresting officers said they saw a lot that aroused their suspicion about the men. One of the passengers had $4,700 in cash hidden in his sock. Another was carrying two foreign passports. A box cutter was found in the van. But perhaps the biggest surprise for the officers came when the five men identified themselves as Israeli citizens.

'We Are Not Your Problem'

According to the police report, one of the passengers told the officers they had been on the West Side Highway in Manhattan "during the incident" — referring to the World Trade Center attack. The driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers, "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem." The other passengers were his brother Paul Kurzberg, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

One reason for the shift, sources told ABCNEWS, was that the FBI believed Urban Moving may have been providing cover for an Israeli intelligence operation.

After the five men were arrested, the FBI got a warrant and searched Urban Moving's Weehawken, N.J., offices.

The FBI searched Urban Moving's offices for several hours, removing boxes of documents and a dozen computer hard drives. The FBI also questioned Urban Moving's owner. His attorney insists that his client answered all of the FBI's questions. But when FBI agents tried to interview him again a few days later, he was gone.

Three months later 2020's cameras photographed the inside of Urban Moving, and it looked as if the business had been shut down in a big hurry. Cell phones were lying around; office phones were still connected; and the property of dozens of clients remained in the warehouse.

The owner had also cleared out of his New Jersey home, put it up for sale and returned with his family to Israel.

'A Scary Situation'

Steven Gordon, the attorney for the five Israeli detainees, acknowledged that his clients' actions on Sept. 11 would easily have aroused suspicions. "You got a group of guys that are taking pictures, on top of a roof, of the World Trade Center. They're speaking in a foreign language. They got two passports on 'em. One's got a wad of cash on him, and they got box cutters. Now that's a scary situation."

But Gordon insisted that his clients were just five young men who had come to America for a vacation, ended up working for a moving company, and were taking pictures of the event.

The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA officials in Washington put a hold on the case.

The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were given as many as seven lie-detector tests.

Plenty of Speculation

Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.

Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found in a search of a national intelligence database.

Israeli Intelligence Connection?

According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly in the New Jersey-New York area."

Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior to Sept. 11.

For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.

Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.

The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."

Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.

"These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."

No 'Pre-Knowledge'

Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events of 9/11."

Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro noted.

As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.

According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.

While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home.

Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event."

ABCNEWS' Chris Isham, John Miller, Glenn Silber and Chris Vlasto contributed to this report.
#131
Coincidences? / When Is It Just A Coincidence?
July 30, 2017, 08:56:36 PM
coincidence
noun [ C/U ] us ​ /koʊˈɪn·sɪ·dəns, -səˌdens/

An occasion when two or more things happen at the same time, esp. in a way that is unexpected or unlikely, or the unlikely fact of such things happening at the same time:

[Source: Cambridge Dictionary]


When something strange happens once, it is a fluke. If it happens twice, it is a coincidence. If it happens three times it is a pattern...


I say this because on September 11, 2001 there were a lot of "coincidences" for the day. Too many for most in fact. Let's take a look at some...


  • American Airlines Flight 11 hijacked, United Airlines Flight 175 hijacked... Coincidence? Maybe. American Airlines Flight 77 hijacked... Pattern?, United Airlines Flight 93 hijacked... Difinitely a pattern!

  • While the planes were being hijacked, NOAD, the FAA nor any branch of the military launched any interceptors to safeguard this country, 3 different coincidences?

  • Three Building collapsed symmetrically on the same day in exactly the same manner but only two buildings were hit with planes. The third building did not have jet fuel in the fires that allegedly caused the first two buildings steel to weaken and collapse... By the way, a steel frame building has NEVER collapsed due to fire in the history of steel buildings; but there were three on the same day, at the same location...

  • Four planes crashed, but left very little wreckage... This has Never happened in airline history except when a plane is lost over an ocean.

  • Plane debris from United Airlines Flight 93 is found 8 miles from alleged crash site. This has only happens when a plane breaks up in the air. Again another first...

  • United Airlines Flight 93 allegedly crashed into a hole in the ground in Shanksville. This gash in the ground has been there on Google Earth and the Geographical Survey Maps since 1994... Only a hole has been added to the middle of the gash.

  • No jet fuel spill fires at crash site of United Airlines Flight 93. Again another first... OOps, My mistake; No jet fuel spills at the pentagon either...

  • Absolutely no serial number or anything that can positively identify any of the four planes that crashed was ever released. The government refuses to release any information to prove that these planes crashed. this information has NEVER been withheld in the history of aviation. This information would be necessary to positively match a Flight Data Recorder or Cockpit Data Recorder to the airplane it came from.

  • Any information that could definitively prove what happened on September 11, 2001 went missing or was said to not exist by the government and it's agencies. I.E. photos, videos, black box recordings etc...

#132
Spy vs Spy / The Dancing Israelis
July 30, 2017, 01:56:34 PM
We can't seem to find much in the area of an actual timeline for much of what the Israelis did on September 11, 2001. All news reported seems to be alarmingly vague about the exact times of any of these incidences. Even though they had a truck with explosives in it and another one with traces of explosives, the information seems not to be reported on thoroughly as if someone having trucks with explosives in them in New York was not important on this very day. We have however found that the "Dancing Israelis" investigation was handled much like the NIST investigation of WTC Building 7...

[Source: The "Dancing Israelis" FBI Report - Debunked]






                                   
The Five Dancing "Israelis Arrested On 9-11
                                   
Suspects - The Dancing Israelis





Cop Who Arrested Dancing Israelis Speaks
#133
FBI Issues A Nationwide APB For A White Van With Urban Moving Systems On The Back



9/11 George Washington Bridge Incident Full All News Agencies